Host 0:04
Welcome to The Blogger Genius Podcast brought to you by MiloTree. Here’s your host, Jillian Leslie.

Jillian Leslie 0:11
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For today’s episode, I have Paula Rollo back on the show. She’s MiloTree community manager and my very good friend. We’re talking about productivity. We’re sharing. We’re being really honest.

We are sharing about what we found that works, what we found that doesn’t work, where we’re winning it in our businesses, where we’ve got it scheduled. So if you think about productivity, definitely listen to this episode.

How to Find Productivity Hacks That Work for You

If you’ve got some amazing productivity hacks, I’d love to hear them. Email me at I’m always trying to learn. Without further delay, here is my interview with Paula Rollo.

Paula, welcome back to the show. I love having you.

Paula Rollo 1:40
Thank you for having me back. You’re like fun.

Jillian Leslie 1:42
You’re like my co-pilot. So today, we decided that we wanted to talk about productivity.

Paula Rollo 1:51

Jillian Leslie 1:52
And what I will tell you is productivity is one of those things where I believe we all feel like we are failing.

Paula Rollo 2:01
Yes, absolutely. It feels like everyone else was so productive.

Jillian Leslie 2:04
Everybody is so productive and somehow I can’t get it together. I think that’s the narrative that we all tell ourselves. And the truth is, no.

My mom who’s very wise says this thing which is balanced is something you move through and you never stay in it. You move through balance into imbalance.

Paula Rollo 2:23
That’s good.

Jillian Leslie 2:24
And I try to internalize that because there are certain days where I sit down at my computer and I am rocking it. I get through so much of my to-do list. And then, there are days where I sit down at my computer, and it is as if I am walking in molasses.

Paula Rollo 2:44
Yep, absolutely.

Jillian Leslie 2:47
So I’ve tried to step back and I’ve tried to think about where am I most productive. When am I most productive? I have this fantasy that I’ve lived with for the last 20 years, which is I am a morning person.

Now, I am. I do get up early and stuff like that. But what I have learned is my natural rhythms are such that I kick into my best workspace at 3:30 in the afternoon.

Paula Rollo 3:21
Wow! When kids are coming home.

Jillian Leslie 3:23
Weirdly, yes. I am productive like I can weirdly focus from like 3:30 ’til I don’t know, 5:30. I mean I’m working throughout the day, but if I need to do some heavy lifting, that is my natural rhythm.

Now, there are times when exactly my daughter’s coming home and I can’t use that time but something about the realization that my time, my most productive time where I am aligned is not from 9 to 11.

Most people say, “Oh, that should be your most productive time.” Whatever reason, my rhythms are such that weirdly in the middle of the afternoon, that’s when I can get my work done.

Paula Rollo 4:04
That’s interesting. I don’t know what my specific time of day. I know that evenings are better for me than mornings, but other than that I’ve not pinpointed a certain hour. I’m going to have to watch for that in myself.

Jillian Leslie 4:16
Yeah. Now, my husband David, my partner, he is a night owl. So like you, like 9 o’clock, 10 o’clock, he is jamming. Through the day he’s doing good the stuff he needs to do but if he has to do some serious programming, he loves when it’s really quiet, he loves when it’s dark, he loves sitting there and that’s when he can focus.

Paula Rollo 4:38
So interesting. David’s my people.

Jillian Leslie 4:41
Yeah, totally. And I’m like, “What?” Like oh, I want to be sleeping and stuff. And he thinks it’s crazy that you know when my window is but one thing that I would say is just pay attention to your rhythms. Notice when things become more effortless.

For me nine o’clock, it’s kind of filled with effort.

Paula Rollo 5:01

Jillian Leslie 5:02
And something about coming to the realization that this is my time, and that I’m not a, you know, morning person for work was really freeing.

Paula Rollo 5:13
Yes, because you feel like you have to push through that otherwise in a way that’s not helpful.

Jillian Leslie 5:19
And I read these books and everybody says nine to 11 is when you should really do your, you know, deep work. And I’m always kind of like on the internet, on Facebook, or reading news thinking, “Oh, my God, I’m missing my window.”

Paula Rollo 5:33

Jillian Leslie 5:35
So my one recommendation is just to pay attention to your own rhythms because chances are there is a window during the day when things come more easily to you.

Paula Rollo 5:46
Yeah. I may not have a specific hour in mind that I know is going to be my most productive hour but I do know that if I start to feel like I can’t push through right now, my brain can’t get in this creative space where I need to write or where I need to create something from scratch.

I won’t usually muscle through that anymore where I used to, and then I would make subpar work. Instead, what I will do at the 9am shift or in those shifts where I feel like I’m just not all the way there, the way that I’d like to be is I save up my mindless work for those hours.

Sometimes this even happens in the middle of a post and I just can’t write another sentence. I know that it’s just not going to be good, like my best work, if I continue doing it. So I’ll save what I’m doing and I’ll shift and I’ll go schedule table in for an hour.

Or I’ll do something else. Usually, it’s scheduling social media because that’s such mindless work. But whatever I have saved up and I do save up those tasks that really don’t require any type of heavy mental engagement or creativity on my end.

It’s just things I can do in my sleep. I’ll do those in those hours when I’m just feeling like, I can’t be creative. I’m either sad or I’m sleepy or it’s just 9am and I’m not all the way there yet. Coffee hasn’t kicked in. That’s when I’ll use those times.

So it’s not like I’m avoiding all of my work. It’s just I don’t want to use the time when I am at my best and I’m most creative and be like, “Oh, I have to schedule Facebook right now.”

I’m wasting that creative time. Instead, I work on mindless work when I’m tired and good creative work when I know that my brain is sharp and at its best.

Jillian Leslie 7:35
I am with you. I do the exact same thing. And then also, I get that boost afterward of I just schedule this or I just did this, you know, mindless task. And I did it, you know. And now I’m ahead. So, right. And then, that feels better than rotting on Instagram.

Now one thing that I use that I think helps my productivity like nothing else is I do this thing called the Pomodoro Technique. There is a little website that I go to and it is called

It is a timer. So the Pomodoro Technique is this technique, you can Google it. It’s based on those old like tomato timers that you used to have in your kitchen. The idea is that you set the timer and it is for 25 minutes, and you work for that 25 minutes. At the end of the 25 minutes, you get a five-minute break.

And then, you set the timer again and there’s a five-minute timer. You set the timer again for 25 minutes. You do your 25 minutes, and you get your five-minute break. You set it again. Do your 25 minutes. And this time, if you’ve done it three times, you get a 10-minute break.

For me, 25 minutes is about the maximum amount of time that I can focus. And something about 25 minutes does not feel indefinite. And in fact, I don’t know about you, but if I say I’m going to take two hours to write this blog post, the truth of the matter is, I will goof off.

I’ll pretend that I’m working for half of that time, even three-quarters of that time. I’ll struggle and I won’t let myself get up from the computer. I’m kind of bitching and moaning within myself and like, I’m in this internal battle. And the truth is, I’m probably only going to work 25 minutes of that two hours.

Paula Rollo 9:39

Jillian Leslie 9:40
So this way, I get on my own side and I go, “Jill, you can work for 25 minutes. It’s doable.” And I watch the little timer and it’ll be like 17 minutes left. And I’ll be like, “Oh my God, that was only eight minutes.” But I continue going until I reached 25. Twenty-five minutes, I promise, is doable.

Paula Rollo 10:05
Yeah. I think anybody should be able to do that if you really really focus on knocking it out.

Jillian Leslie 10:11
Yeah. And you bring yourself back. You go, “Okay, 17 minutes.” And then, you see the little timer again. You’re like, “Okay. That was another five minutes.” I keep going.

I get some of my best work done when I use this method. And when I do it is when I have something to do that I am dreading because somehow I have learned that 25 minutes is doable.

Paula Rollo 10:38
Interesting. I time myself like that. That’s a really interesting technique to have that timer ticking away.

Jillian Leslie 10:46
And then it is something like then you get that break and even though it’s five minutes, “Okay. Now I can do whatever mindless thing.” When I was in college and I was taking really boring classes, what I used to do was buy a trashy novel.

I would take the trashy novel to the library with me. I would kind of do that kind of similar strategy, which is, if I study these chapters for my econ class, then I can read one chapter of my trashy novel.

Paula Rollo 11:16
That’s great.

Jillian Leslie 11:17
And that was how I got through college. That way I was still sitting at my desk like I wasn’t doing… and this is before the internet. I wasn’t doing anything that was so distracting because you know, I’m still reading. I’m just reading my trashy novel.

Paula Rollo 11:35
That’s great.

Jillian Leslie 11:36
So anyway, I think that giving myself these small increments works really well for me. If you try this and it works for you, or doesn’t work for you, please reach out to me. I want to hear how you do it and whether timing works for you.

Paula Rollo 11:54
And I think it’s important too that when we take those breaks, we’re being intentional about what we’re doing. Whether it’s a novel or I often will go for a walk outside, or just stretch.

But I know that earlier on in my career, I was doing things like playing a game on my phone, scrolling mindlessly through Instagram, checking Instagram stories, those types of things.

But because we’re digital entrepreneurs, we’re online all of the time. And so, I feel like my brain doesn’t necessarily accept that as a rest or as a break when I’m staring at a screen. Even though maybe I’m playing solitaire or I’m playing whatever the game of the hour is in the App Store.

It’s still so much action and activity and brain engagement that it’s not really resting and it’s not really giving yourself the reset that you need to be able to go back into that creative space be at 25 minutes, or an hour, or however long you’re doing it.

The same way that even just getting up and stretching for 60 seconds would give you better rest than watching a show on Netflix for an hour because your brain is actually getting the rest that it needs and your eyes are resting from staring at screens because it is hard staring at screens all day.

Jillian Leslie 13:14
Yes, definitely.

Paula Rollo 13:15
So I think that that’s an important piece when you’re trying this work and break, and work and break method whether you’re timing yourself or not, because like I said, I often don’t use a timer, but I can tell when I’m entering in that space where I’m getting tired.

I know I’ll be able to write quicker or do better if I take a break. When I take a break and put my phone down and go outside, I come back way more refreshed than if I sit down and watch a show while I eat my lunch or do something like that.

Jillian Leslie 13:44
Yes, I’m a big tea drinker. I drink this green Oolong tea from Taiwan. There’s something really beautiful about it. For me, my break is I walk all the way downstairs.

I have these really steep stairs in my house. And I go and I take my tea kettle and I wait for my tea to heat up. And then I make my beautiful… this beautiful color.

For me, that is my weird break. And something about when I smell my tea. I love it. It is just this ritual. It’s a ritual that I do for my break, which is I go and I make my tea. Like even before we recorded this, I was like, “I just have to go make my tea.”

And I drink it all day. But it’s something about the making of the tea that I find very soothing.

Paula Rollo 14:34
Yes. I think your brain knows that you’re entering into this relaxed state where looking at your phone, it doesn’t get the same signal. I’m not any kind of a brain scientist or anything but this is just what I’ve noticed in myself and it seems to make a lot of sense that you have to signal, “This is good rest time.”

Jillian Leslie 14:52

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You would think that with Catch My Party, and MiloTree, and my podcast that I am just so organized and I am scheduled to the hilt. But the truth of the matter is, I also wing it. I weirdly have tried every productivity app out there.

We do use Trello boards, which you know, because we work on them together. But my weird system, my down and dirty system is post-its. I have post-its all over my desk.

Something about the fact that they are tangible, they are right there, and I can just put something down on a post-it and then I see it, I don’t have to check back on my computer with my checklist weirdly works for me. Now. Paula, what is your system?

Paula Rollo 17:42
So I have two. Well, I use Trello with you. I work for a few different people so I use whatever system they’re using. I love Basecamp. That’s something I use with another person I work for. But for my personal stuff, I use a paper planner.

I know that I’m still living in like 1995 but I cannot get through without that planner. In fact, my house just flooded and one of the things I grabbed was my dumb planner because I love it.

Jillian Leslie 18:11
I use those like at a glance calendars. I have one that’s my personal calendar, and one that is my business calendar. And literally same as you. I travel with this like 8.5×11. I mean we’re talking big. I travel with them.

I do not have my schedule/my calendar on my phone so if I go to the doctor, like the dentist and they go, “Okay. How about let’s schedule your next appointment in six months.” I always have to say, “I’ll call you because my calendar is at home.”

So, I too am one of those old school people who has to have physical calendars. I have to see it in front of me.

Paula Rollo 18:55
And mine has to be Erin Condren. I had tried other brands. The price tag is deep. It’s posted every year. I have tried so many cheap, just Target planners and I can’t do it the way that she’s laid it out.

It’s like that’s the way that I have to do it. It has the morning, noon, and night areas. It has the weekly part on the side. That is my system and I can’t get away from it.

Jillian Leslie 19:24
I love Erin Condren. I think the flagship store is here in Austin.

Paula Rollo 19:29
Oh, that’s right. It is.

Jillian Leslie 19:30
It’s like literally we cannot walk by without my daughter going, “We have to go to Erin Condren.”

Paula Rollo 19:36
I’ll have to go when I come up.

Jillian Leslie 19:38
You totally do. Oh my God, all the cute little thing. So I love Erin Condren. But weirdly, like that’s too beautiful. I need the most utilitarian calendars. The like ugliest big like just block calendars, but everything goes in my calendar and I feel lost without them.

Paula Rollo 20:01
That’s funny.

Jillian Leslie 20:03
And again, I have tried every possible calendar app, every productivity to-do list. And then, what happens is somehow if it’s in my phone or on my computer, it gets kind of hidden.

Paula Rollo 20:17
Yeah, exactly. And you can’t know where you put anything. It all looks the same. And it’s just… I can’t do it.

Jillian Leslie 20:25
And the other thing that I used too because I guess I really do like physical paper, I use grid paper pads. I take all my notes on these pads and all I do is I put the date at the top.

So like if you and I have a conference call where we’re going to brainstorm, I put the date at the top, I wrote “conversation with Paula.” And then, I just take the messiest, most incomprehensible notes I possibly can. I’m not like a bullet note-taker but yet somehow that works for me.

Paula Rollo 20:59

Jillian Leslie 20:59
And then, I just have them and they have dates and they just have, you know, conversation with Paula or whatever, you know, meetings that I have. And it’s just another page, and then I go back through them.

Typically, I can understand that. You wouldn’t be able to read them and understand them but I can.

Paula Rollo 21:17
That’s funny.

Jillian Leslie 21:18
And I also, by the way, will say I do use a lot of Google Docs. I would be lost without Google Docs, Google Sheets. It’s amazing. Those saved my life.

Paula Rollo 21:30
Now one thing I’m curious about, do you work really far in advance or are you writing the thing that’s going up today?

Jillian Leslie 21:39
For Catch My Party, my assistant Anna helps me with Catch My Party. We have a calendar. But again, it’s a Google Sheet. There’s nothing special about it. It has dates, and it has what the blog post is.

We are a couple months ahead because we’re thinking in terms of holidays. What we do is we post three times a week. One of them is a new post where we typically will do some sort of roundup post because we’re seeing trends on Catch My Party and we want to call out those trends.

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Anyway, so we want to say like “Here are trends.” And we will take all of our content and we’ll create useful posts around those. Then, one post a week, we take an old post and we revise it because we have so much content.

So we’ll update the photo, we’ll update the text links, that kind of thing. And then the third post we do a week is where we look at our four favorite parties of the week and we pick out what we think is terrific and we highlight some of the best elements. We have this very rigid schedule and we have a calendar that goes through these different posts.

For MiloTree, we might roll out a new feature. We rolled out sparkles in your pop up. So we will do a post about sparkles. So those are kind of one-off. But then for my blog for my podcast, every week, I am doing a blog post based on the podcast.

I do this for a variety of reasons. Some people want to read and they don’t want to listen, we do it for SEO because otherwise, Google has no idea what we’re talking about. As I’m going through this I’m like, “Yeah, I guess I am more scheduled than I even think I am.”

But in terms of social media and stuff, like you and I, we have a calendar for sharing content but now I’m wanting to kind of throw a monkey wrench into that and just do more spontaneous stuff.

So to answer your question, I’m probably more scheduled than I think. I feel like I’m more ad hoc, but I’m probably not as ad hoc.

Paula Rollo 24:06
I think that for a lot of people, and I would include myself in this, we aren’t necessarily scheduled on a day to day basis like Monday 9am, I do blank, Tuesday, 10am, I do blank, but on a week by week basis, if you zoom out to that it is very scheduled and very rigid.

But what we do on each individual day as long as we’re getting done what needs to get done to keep the businesses going and operating at full strength. At some point during the week.

It doesn’t matter if that happens at 3:30 in the afternoon or 10 o’clock at night, or you didn’t work at all on Tuesday, but you did double time on Thursday. One of the blessings and the curses of being an entrepreneur is we can schedule ourselves out and be renewed at week level but not have to be so much at a day to day level.

Jillian Leslie 24:57
I totally agree. And then I came up with this other realization about myself, which is I like change. Meaning, sometimes I feel like, “Oh my God, I’m so scheduled.” Like meaning, “Oh God, I’ve got meetings on Tuesday but then like, I just recently went to Round Top Texas to go to this mastermind group with other bloggers.

I was like, “Oh my God, it’s going to mess up my schedule. Do I really want to go?” And then I went, and I loved it. And I realized that I weirdly like those interruptions. I weirdly like going to conferences.

Even though I think that I don’t, I think I like that it mixes up my schedule and that if I had to sit here every day on a Monday and do this from nine to 10, and that, you know, like have that kind of schedule. I think that makes me sad. And something about the change is good for me.

Paula Rollo 25:56

Jillian Leslie 25:57
What about you?

Paula Rollo 25:59
I told really agree. Getting out changing things up, that’s the point of having one of these jobs really.

Jillian Leslie 26:07
Yeah. So I learned to embrace that. I noticed my narrative around it is, “Oh, no. I’ve got a conference coming up and it stresses me out, and maybe I shouldn’t go.” Like literally I go through this entire thought process.

And then now I’ve started to realize, no. Those things give me energy. They are exhausting. And yes, I do have to do catch up afterward. However, it changes it up. It gives me new energy, new insights and that I welcome that.

Paula Rollo 26:37
Yes. Yes, completely. Completely agree.

Jillian Leslie 26:41
That’s my next place where I’m being honest with myself as a worker in terms of my own productivity.

Paula Rollo 26:53
Yes. Yeah, I agree. It’s changing things up. That’s like the macro level of what we were talking about on a much smaller scale of getting out of the room to pour your tea or getting out of the house to go for a walk.

It’s changing things up, which I think is really common to people in creative fields. That’s why we’ve chosen this career path is because we are creative and we like change, and we like creating something new. So it makes sense that we would want to experience life in that same way.

Jillian Leslie 27:23
Absolutely. Somebody reached out to me. I think it was because we launched sparkles for MiloTree. She reached out to me and she said, “Hey, can we do a feature…” By the way, we’re working on this.

A feature wherein your pop up, you can put a link to like, let’s say you’ve got a holiday guide, or you’ve got a sponsored post, and you want your pop up to show that and say go see this post, right, on like this specific link that you want to highlight.

And so, we’ve been mulling it over here to try to build it, but then she reached out with this same exact thing we’re thinking about and I emailed her and I said, “Hey, I think that’s awesome. Could we get on the phone?”

She was really shocked that I said this. I said like later today. And she’s going to be on my podcast because I ended up calling. She was like, “Really?” She’s like, “Really? I didn’t expect that you were going to email me back, let alone want to talk to me.”

We ended up getting on the phone and talking for God knows how long and talking about our businesses. She’s a blogger. We shared conferences and stuff like that. So ultimately, I was behind because I had all these things to do. But I got to hear about her business.

I got to connect with her. We sit at our computers and it can be kind of lonely. All of a sudden, I have a new friend. For me, it was so worth it. I had to tell myself when I got off the phone, I thought, “Oh God, I’m so behind.” to say, “No Jill, that was worth it.”

Paula Rollo 28:52
Yeah. That’s so good.

Jillian Leslie 28:55
So you should notice in your own experience when those interruptions happen, when those things happen that get you off your schedule, to say, “Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe I can roll with this.”

Maybe I might have to work an hour later. Or I might have to do more stuff, let’s say on the weekend, but I get the flexibility to be able to have a random conversation in the middle of the day.

Paula Rollo 29:20
Right. And sometimes for me, like those things, breathe life into my work, and then work more productively. And, you know, I think like, “Oh, I’m so busy. I don’t have time.” But then a lot of the times I do.

Then it’s something good like that. Like no, I don’t have time to go walk around Target for an hour, but I do have time to get on the phone with someone that’s going to help me view my business in a different way. Even just having a conversation with them.

Jillian Leslie 29:48
Absolutely. Like I know I say this on the podcast. I’m like, “Hey, if you want to reach out to me at you know, please do. The truth is I really like it if I can answer a question or help you with something or whatever because as I say, it can be lonely or you can feel like you’re yelling into the abyss.

And to me, it is all about the connection. Now, is it about the connection for David? No, because he can geek out on his technology. But for me, it’s all about the connection.

Paula Rollo 30:22
Yeah, I agree.

Jillian Leslie 30:24
So take that to heart. If you want to reach out, please do. Okay. So, I guess what we’re saying is to embrace the mess to know that… I’m sure there are incredibly organized people who have it all together, but most of us are kind of winging it. Right?

We’ve got some systems in place. And then, one last thing I wanted to share is I was at this podcast, I was at this mastermind, and one blogger said this and I thought this was really interesting.

What she said is when she does not want to write that post, she thinks in terms of how much that post is worth to her. So she’ll say to herself, “You know what? I can goof off. Or I can finish this post and make $400.”

And for her because she’s got kids and she’s got bills to pay and all that stuff, that is enough motivation for her to get off Instagram and write that post. I thought about that and I thought, “Wow. I bet I could use that as well.”

Rather than this post is just going to kind of be another post and it’ll get done or whatever you know, especially if it’s a sponsored post. Like this post is making you money. This single post. And it is worth it so that you can go to Target and not have to worry, you know.

Or you can buy that new pair of shoes for your kid and not think about it. But to really think about it as a business. Business is work. Like I remember in my first job, my boss was not always the most sensitive.

And I remember I was complaining about something and he goes, “You know what Jill? They call it work because it’s work. Otherwise it would be called fun.”

Paula Rollo 32:24
Oh my gosh.

Jillian Leslie 32:26
Again, it was an important lesson, I guess. But anyway, my point is this is also work that we’re doing and we are making money at this work. And the weird part is, if we’re working smart, the more money we make.

So to reframe that, “Oh God, I’ve got to write this post and I don’t want to.” To think about, “But this is making me money.” I want money for my family or for my life so I can take that trip, whatever it is, as a way to go, “Okay. I can stop bellyaching about this.”

Paula Rollo 32:57
Just get it done.

Jillian Leslie 32:58
Just get it done because I want that $400. So that is something that I want to leave you with to think about. So there. So Paula, I’m leaving here with that thought. Do you have anything else that you feel is worth sharing in terms of productivity?

Paula Rollo 33:21
I think just the main thing is knowing that you have to feel it out for yourself and find the system that works for you. Because like you said, we can read all the books and listen to all of the recordings, or do whatever we can, and the reality is different things work for different people and different people have a different maximum amount of time that they can work.

If it’s 25 minutes, if it’s an hour, if it’s two hours, before you need a breather, before you need to go get a glass of water or a cup of tea or whatever. Being willing to fill those things out and kind of find a rhythm that works best for you and not feel like you’re locked into someone else’s rhythm or someone else’s idea of productivity if it’s not what feels right or is right for your particular business and for your own mental health.

Jillian Leslie 34:13
I have to agree with that. So what I would say is become curious. The next time you beat yourself up for not getting your work done in the way in which you think you should, rather than self hating, which we all want to do, be curious and say, “Huh, is this not my rhythm?”

And go, “What is my rhythm? When does it feel effortless? When does it feel fun? What works for me?” And again, for me the big lesson, I had a daughter who wouldn’t sleep as a baby. I’m reading all the sleep books and all I’m doing is feeling so incredibly inadequate, and I’m the worst mother in the world because I can’t get my baby to sleep.

Then I realized. It took so long for me to come to this, which is she just has her own rhythms. It has nothing to do with me as a mom or her as some sort of defective baby, but that the books don’t work for me. We had to figure it out for ourselves.

Paula Rollo 35:20

Jillian Leslie 35:21
So think about my defective baby who turned out to not be a defective baby. Think about your processes, or when you’re listening to podcasts, and all these people have all these productivity hacks, or they’ve solved it. And recognize it’s not that easy. And it really is all about your rhythms.

Paula Rollo 35:37
Right. And think about that as important. Finding them is important. It doesn’t matter what they are once you found them.

Jillian Leslie 35:43
Exactly. And think about that $400.

Paula Rollo 35:46

Jillian Leslie 35:47
Awesome. Well, great. Well, Paula, thank you once again for being on the show. We’re going to do this again soon. And if you want to reach out to me, please do. You could break up my day and I will look forward to it at

I hope you guys liked that episode. My big takeaway is that there isn’t a one size fits all. But I want to hear from you about what works for you. So I go live on Mondays at 3pm eastern time in my Facebook group, the MiloTree Mastermind group.

I’d love you to show up so we can talk productivity because I want to hear what works for you. What have you tried? What are your wins when it comes to productivity? And I will see you here again next week.


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